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Doc Savage

OKKO

I am ordering Okko and the Okko Yakuza expansion. Other than the very positive review on Drake's Flames I haven't read a lot about this game. Any of you folks play it?
tomodachi6874

I've got the base game and have got the expansion on order. Not played it yet my kids turn their nose up a such nonsence ( they being 9 and 7 ) but I'll bring them round.

Doc , I thought you'd already got it , what with you highlighting Okko on your blog a while back when talking about other possible tiles to use with Tannhauser.

There's a reasonable amount of support on the web for the game. Most of its in (Scottie might want to run away and hide when he hears/reads this) French. It being a French game originally that's no suprise but the official site does have an English language version. I can post a list of links if anyones interested.

I bought it because it's a game set in medieval Japan and the comics series it's based on is very good.
I'm a sucker for anything medieval Japanese plus a whole load of other things like Hellboy , Cthulhu , Aliens/Predator , Star Wars , Firefly/Serenity and way too many more things than is really healthy for my bank balance. The kids are going to inherit no money but a house full to bursting of stuff in boxes that will take years to sort , catalogue and dispose of.
Doc Savage

No, I hadn't bought it yet. But, I've had my eye on this since it came out.  I've got it preordered with the 2 Tannhauser new figures.
tomodachi6874

Well here goes - even though nobody has expressed much interest - here's a list of the best there is out there on the netfor Okko. Where to go and what to look for with a couple of warnings as well. It's mostly prompted because they've just posted on the official French site a first teaser for a new large expansion set due some time hence with zombie samurai and a ghost - graphics only but they'll be the character standees. Metal figures (painted - limited edtions and very expensive or unpainted ) come as an optional extra for this game - oh to be able to get these.

Most of interest to Tannhauser players would be the tiles used in the game , as Doc said on his blog they make for interesting alternate game board. Use them neat without pathfinder rings - use a chop stick to work out line of site / same path issues that's what I plan to do.

Anyway I'll start with the official sites - a word of caution both are flash based sites which make navigation a bit frustrating as you can end up down some deadends (you'll see what I mean) just hit your reload / refresh button to get back to the front again.

Official French language site :

http://www.okko-thegame.com/accueil/index.htm

Extra scenarios in French, tile elements , small tiles and a super sized tournament tile (A3 in size - 10x14 inches  as opposed to standard 7x7 inch)

Offcial English language site :

http://www.okko-thegame.com/accueilanglais/index.htm

Extra scenarios in English (not as many as the French site but at least they translate their own stuff a darn site quicker than FFG) and the tile elements.

Offcial forum in French :

http://hazgaard.forumpro.fr/okko-l-ere-d-asagiri-c4/

Usual sort of stuff all laid out in easy to navigate way.


Next two web index pages

http://p-a.houyoux.perso.neuf.fr/Sc%e9narii%20Okko/

scenarios in French in pdf format (six at latest count)

http://lilian.ludo.free.fr/Okko/

pdf files are most useful 3 scenarios and 2 tiles especially plan13.pdf a bonus tile used / needed for Little Flower III scenario.
Okuden zip has some graphics files my software can't cope with ???  The La Dame Blanche pdf was originally in consecutive issues of a French magazine Ravage. The advertising bar is a tad annoying but just ignore it.

Blog sites

http://okko-zegame.blogspot.com/

not that active of late but still very interesting

and I've saved the best till last a blog site run by three people by the names of Het ,  Hoys and Yiu. Best to be seated when you look at the stunning 3D elements and gaming boards these guys have come up with. They also post a fair bit on the forum stuff as work in progress as well as on the blog. Anyway take a look even if you don't play the game.

http://unofficial-okkothegame.blogspot.com/

there's also a few other bits and pieces on the blog scenarios , figure conversions and the like

if anybody knows of any other Okko sites worth looking at leave a post to let me (us) know.
I'll add further posts if anything really interesting comes up.
The_SunDance_Kid

this looks pretty damn interesting.

by the sounds of it they will release prepainted minis and unpainted minis.

where can one get prepainted minis?
tomodachi6874

There are 10 figures in the range but the base game has 20 characters and the expansion has a further 9 characters.

You can get the unpainted metal figures from :

http://www.ludikbazar.com/advance...p;categories_id=0&x=0&y=0

or from your usual French source. I've not seen them available on any UK or US site (but I stand to be corrected)

You can only get the painted figures from Hazgaard - be warned they are very expensive 23 euros each , about $30 each plus at least $20 postage. Hazgaard also sell the unpainted.

http://www.hazgaardboutique.fr/

That's why I said earlier "oh to be able to get these". Even the unpainted are pretty expensive 5 to 13.5 euros about $7-$17 and then you have to factor in the postage.
Doc Savage

Okko and Yakuza expansion will be shipping as soon as Ramirez arrives at the war store and then I will be figuring out proxy figures. There are a lot of good figures in Heroscape so I'll see if I can make that work. Hopefully get this next week - like I need more projects...
tomodachi6874

Any pointers on what figures to use for Okko characters would be grateful. I don't know the Heroscape range very well , it's not big here in the UK. I've got the ninja/samurai and ashigaru sets of figures - purely because of what they are - prepainted Samurai figures.

It's my all time favourite period of history - a bookcase on the verge of implosion is testament to that (200+ books - academic, militaria , non-fiction , fiction and comic covering Medieval Japan in all its glory).

Doc , I'd be interested in your opinion on the Yakuza expansion when you get it.
Doc Savage

I will be combing all the prepainted games to come up with figures for Okko. Or I may decide that I like the stand-ups just fine...
tomodachi6874

I think the standees are fine but I would be interested in your suggestions for alternative figures.

I much prefer for a game to use figures - but I think it would be difficult to find very good alternative figures prepainted or otherwise to go with this game when you consider where it is based - Medieval Japan. It's a sort of niche part of Medieval Japanese folklore they've gone for as a background setting. It would not be a problem if it were just Samurai vs Samurai but the market is already filled with up with this sort of thing so you can see why they did what they did. And it is based on a specific comic book series which has it's own distinctive look which I really like.

Even Hazgaard have not come up with a complete set of painted or unpainted figures ,as yet , to go with the game and I've not seen anywhere else that produces anything that comes really close , especially for some of the Demon characters. It dosn't help that graphics for the game are so good , IMHO , and it would be very difficult to match up to the graphics. It's a shame they haven't gone down the pre-painted plastic figure route like ToY did for Tannhauser or Rackham did for AT-43. But I'm not sure how big Hazgaard are and if you look at the mess that Rackham got into maybe they were right not to.

And now they've started to release some of the graphics for a larger expansion which includes a floating ghost and zombie samurai which is only going to make things that much more difficult. Not that i'm trying to put you off or anything as I'd love to be able to play the game using figures but you are a far braver man than I am to try and you obviously have a greated kowledge in this field of endevour  so good luck.
tomodachi6874

I think the standees are fine but I would be interested in your suggestions for alternative figures.

I much prefer for a game to use figures - but I think it would be difficult to find very good alternative figures prepainted or otherwise to go with this game when you consider where it is based - Medieval Japan. It's a sort of niche part of Medieval Japanese folklore they've gone for as a background setting. It would not be a problem if it were just Samurai vs Samurai but the market is already filled with up with this sort of thing so you can see why they did what they did. And it is based on a specific comic book series which has it's own distinctive look which I really like.

Even Hazgaard have not come up with a complete set of painted or unpainted figures ,as yet , to go with the game and I've not seen anywhere else that produces anything that comes really close , especially for some of the Demon characters. It dosn't help that graphics for the game are so good , IMHO , and it would be very difficult to match up to the graphics. It's a shame they haven't gone down the pre-painted plastic figure route like ToY did for Tannhauser or Rackham did for AT-43. But I'm not sure how big Hazgaard are and if you look at the mess that Rackham got into maybe they were right not to.

And now they've started to release some of the graphics for a larger expansion which includes a floating ghost and zombie samurai which is only going to make things that much more difficult. Not that i'm trying to put you off or anything as I'd love to be able to play the game using figures but you are a far braver man than I am to try and you obviously have a greated kowledge in this field of endevour  so good luck.
tomodachi6874

For all you Okko players there is a new download from the official french site of 5 new gaming tiles.
These are full 7 by 7 tiles as opposed to the earlier elements and odd sized tiles released.
Also I believe the artwork is done by the original comic artist Hub.

you can get them at the following link :

http://www.hazgaard.com/okko/pdf/plansdesolshub.pdf

Something I found out the other day is that the first of the two blogs listed in my earlier posting actually belongs to one of the game designers of Okko.

There is also a discussion on Board Game Geek about official plastic figures for Okko - the short being they are way too costly to produce for the current demand based on total world wide sales of the actual game. The metal figures were mainly aimed at fans of the comic rather than for use with the game. One highlight is that one of the Okko designers joined the discussion. A far cry from FFG's total abscence from any discussion anywhere on Tannhauser.
Doc Savage

Thanks, tomodachi.

I am thinking about getting the official figures but not fully painting them. I am thinking about a one color tint and wash for each team. I just have no time for painting...
tomodachi6874

Upon further reading of the french site - it being a flash based site google translate does not work very well so its reading with a French/English dictionary inhand - the new tile pieces are also part of a scenario creation competition using 4 of the 5 tiles. So expect a scenario using the tiles to appear sometime in the future on the French site. Hopefully more than one but who knows.
tomodachi6874

It's taken a while but I've finally found the official site for the original French comic ( in French of course ).

It's full of lots of great artwork but nothing for the game. Not that that is anything to moan about.

http://okko.editions-delcourt.fr/site.php

Latest news is that there is a new French comic on the horizon so hopefully later in the year the English language version should be out.
The_SunDance_Kid

the company should really look into selling prepainted plastic minis.
tomodachi6874

Well there's no stopping the news coming out in Okko land. They have just announced the second full sized expansion Okko, l’Ère de Karasu is planned for release in French in June. No mention of an English version but they released the English version of the base game inside a year and the first expansion inside two months of the French versions. This expansion is going to need a whole lot more translation work for the English version but I'm hoping for a release this side of Christmas ( my Christmas list to Santa is already begining to fill up what with the rumoured  release of Space Hulk version 3 from GW due sometime later this year as well ).

The main points are 6 reversible game tiles , 20 new characters ( cards and standees ) , 14 Event cards , 4 Kamis (  spirit of the ancestors ) ?? , 12 equipment cards , 9 scenarios and new rules for magic and gaining experience to improve characters in a campaign situation ( if my translations skills have not completly fallen apart ).

here's the link for those interested in the French announcement

http://www.asmodee.com//jeux-de-s...5deea06465e67ecf59afc&ID=1147

It's a real shame ToY and Asmodee are not in control of the English version of our favourite game like Hazgaard and Asmodee are in control of the English version of Okko , we then might well see a whole lot more support and a more compact release schedule of Tannhauser stuff. We can but dream.

Sundance - take a look at this thread over at BGG - http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/395181 - to get a full set of quality moulds for 20 plastic figures would cost in the region of £40,000 ( $55,000) and with total world wide sales of the game of less than 10,000 units it would be finacial suicide at the moment. To cover the first expansion another  £18,000 ( $25,000 ) and to cover the new expansion a further £40,000 ( $55,000 ). All this before a single figure has been has even been produced , I don't think it's going to happen any time soon. I would love for it to happen and I think their inclusion in the game or as an optional extra would boost sales of the game but don't hold your breath.
Doc Savage

With the Hazgaard / Rackham cooperation I would love to see a Confrontation Army that just happened to look like the Okko characters.

A guy can dream...
Doc Savage

first game played

My son and I played Okko and we played the recommended beginner sized army and he wiped me out. The movement and combat are really different than Tannhauser or Heroscape and we are looking forward to playing again. The game only took about 15 minutes which is great because we will often have a half hour or so and now have another gaming option.

Since it costs movement points to change your facing and to move sideways, you really need to plan your move. You also really need to be sure that you have a good advantage going into a fight because the attacker can die...
tomodachi6874

Update on English release of 2nd expansion.

from Asmodee US via BGG thread due July 2009.

Hazgaard/Asmodee sure knock FFG's attempts at releasing translated material in to the proverbial cocked hat. If this holds true the English version will be out less than six weeks after the French release.

Just in time for my birthday to boot     happydance  happydance

And I was thinking I would have make do with the French version until nearer to Christmas.

Another snippet I picked up from the French forum the latest printing of the base game comes with the standees have a back image where the original standees had a blank black back. There is also a promise that the front/back image standees will be available as a seperate item for thoose that want to get them without having to buy the whole game.

Doc - I do love your dream about Hazgaard/Rackham Confrontation crossover army that would be shiny very very shiny - if they can do crossovers in the comics world I don't see why it can't be done in the gaming world. You've prooved it can work to great effect with your creations for Tannhauser.
Doc Savage

My theory regarding Hazzgard and Rackham is a dream based on the fact that Rackham is using the Okko combat system for a board game in the Confrontation Universe. Source - I think Cry Havok online mag...
Razide17

Doc Savage wrote:
With the Hazgaard / Rackham cooperation I would love to see a Confrontation Army that just happened to look like the Okko characters.
A guy can dream...

That is a really mouth watering prospect.

Rackham has/had a metal Goblin army faction with a oriental flavour.
They should look pretty good as a goblin version of Okko.
The three ogre box set is fantastic while the goblins come as ninjas, samurai etc.





I recall Cry Havoc Online did mention a Cadwallon boardgame using the Okko mechanics.
When you think about it they've already got some components in their figure range and sets of Cadwallon RPG map titles or even the Hybrid/Nemesis map titles that they could base the game on.
Doc Savage

I have posted an errata'd Red Algae card from the Okko Yakuza expansion on my blog.
tomodachi6874

Latest news from the land of Okko a new mini expansion due out round about June 2010 - in French only.
No mention of an expected date for an English version - there is still no news for the large expansion Okko, l’Ère de Karasu in English which came out in French last October.

There is a new A3 sized board - that's a 10x14 as opposed to a standard 7x7 board - it's based on a tavern in the original comic book series. The direct link is below

http://www.hazgaard.com/okko/pdf/plandesolaubergerouge.pdf

On the official forum one of the members is trying to get some players together get the two A3 boards printed up by a German game supplies company - this is with the permission of  Okko's manufacturer.
If anyones interested here's the link

http://hazgaard.forumpro.fr/diver...sion-des-plateaux-d-okko-t922.htm

I think €13 is about $20 plus S&H on top , which is for a low print run ( the aim is for about 20 copies to be produced ) double sided folding board , which I think is pretty reasonable.

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